Ellie

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Sort of tangential, but: any time someone says "PbtA moves are triggered by the fiction" an angel loses its wings. It wasn't true in Apocalypse World, it's especially untrue in the later Under Hollow Hills, and here's Vincent Baker specifically saying it's not true: lumpley.games/2021/05/31/p...

The rule for moves is to do it, do it. In order for it to be a move
and for the player to roll dice, the character has to do something
that counts as that move; and whenever the character does
something that counts as a move, it’s the move and the player
rolls dice.
Usually it’s unambiguous: “dammit, I guess I crawl out there. I
try to keep my head down. I’m doing it under fire?” “Yep.” But
there are two ways they sometimes don’t line up, and it’s your job
as MC to deal with them.
First is when a player says only that her character makes a move,
without having her character actually take any such action. For
instance: “I go aggro on him.” Your answer then should be “cool,
what do you do?” “I seize the radio by force.” “Cool, what do you
do?” “I try to seduce him.” “Cool, what do you do?”
Second is when a player has her character take action that
counts as a move, but doesn’t realize it, or doesn’t intend it to be
a move. For instance: “I shove him out of my way.” Your answer
then should be “cool, you’re going aggro?” “I pout. ‘Well if you
really don’t like me…’” “Cool, you’re trying to manipulate him?”
“I squeeze way back between the tractor and the wall so they
don’t see me.” “Cool, you’re acting under fire?”
You don’t ask in order to give the player a chance to decline to
roll, you ask in order to give the player a chance to revise her
character’s action if she really didn’t mean to make the move.
“Cool, you’re going aggro?” Legit: “oh! No, no, if he’s really
blocking the door, whatever, I’ll go the other way.” Not legit:
“well no, I’m just shoving him out of my way, I don’t want to roll
for it.” The rule for moves is if you do it, you do it, so make with
the dice.Q:

    “Fiction first” is for me a solid guideline when thinking of #PbtA moves. That means always having fictional content trigger the move. But what can we consider to break from this guideline in some cases? What do we lose and what do we gain?
    @jogadorsonhador

Look out! I have beef.

I don’t know where the idea of always having fictional content trigger the move came from. I’ve never espoused or recommended it as a guideline. It’s not in Apocalypse World — Apocalypse World just says that you can’t get the effects of taking action without actually taking the action, and you can’t actually take the action without getting the effects of it. And then Apocalypse World goes on to include like a million moves without any fictional triggers at all, and to explicitly talk about moves without fictional triggers in its chapter about how moves work.
Ty@mindstorm.bsky.social · 2mo ago

feel like the whole pbta movement is ALWAYS on the cusp of splitting into two warring factions: those of think its okay to just say "I go aggro" and those who don't

programmer encounters linear algebra for the first time: (audible discomfort) strange. this vector.......... it's fixed-length and immutable. it's almost like some kind of........... tuple

Every once in a while I'll get to tell someone, and they'll suddenly understand what I mean, that PbtA doesn't begin and end with the fiction, it begins and ends with the conversation. "Fiction first" is an idea that came to PbtA later, from I don't really know where.

Ty@mindstorm.bsky.social · last yr.

Whenever I hear someone dogmatically saying "the moves MUST begin and end with the fiction" I always want to crack open Apocalypse World and pull out pretty much any example from the book.

Bran wants Keeler’s backup in an ill-considered raid on Jackabacka’s junkyard. Keeler knows how ill-considered it is, though. “Oh come on, it’ll be fun,” Bran’s player says. He hits the roll with a 7. “So, the carrot or the stick?” Keeler’s player says. “The carrot,” he says. “You’ve got hard highlighted, yeah? The way I figure it, with that, plus one from me, this raid could give you enough experience to get a whole improvement.” “Hm,” Keeler’s player says. “at’s an interesting point.”

Whenever I hear someone dogmatically saying "the moves MUST begin and end with the fiction" I always want to crack open Apocalypse World and pull out pretty much any example from the book.

Bran wants Keeler’s backup in an ill-considered raid on Jackabacka’s junkyard. Keeler knows how ill-considered it is, though. “Oh come on, it’ll be fun,” Bran’s player says. He hits the roll with a 7. “So, the carrot or the stick?” Keeler’s player says. “The carrot,” he says. “You’ve got hard highlighted, yeah? The way I figure it, with that, plus one from me, this raid could give you enough experience to get a whole improvement.” “Hm,” Keeler’s player says. “at’s an interesting point.”

as bsky gains momentum two things become clear: 1. this will be the defacto post-Twitter, post-Tumblr, post-Cohost place for most of the people I follow 2. it's got enough people that any popular post's replies are truly obnoxious