I'm waaay behind on my podcasts so I'm just getting to this, but this interview with C. Thi Nguyen is incredible, and very eloquently explains a link I noticed between metrics, games and gamification, but couldn't articulate nearly as well. Everyone with an interest in systems design should listen.
What Games Teach Us About Life with C. Thi Nguyen
YouTube video by Adam Conover
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