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Not only is this a recipe for permanent war (or at least hostilities,) it also ignores the impact this will have on the “enemy’s” intent. I’d like to hope the next Israeli government will be wise enough to take a different approach, but I’m not holding my breath.

Sam Heller | سام هيلر@abujamajem.com · 4d ago

Yedioth Ahronoth on Israeli military's posture in occupied southwest Syria: www.ynetnews.com/article/r111... The below 🖼️ seems to capture Israel's hypervigilant threat perception, post-October 7: all about capability, totally agnostic to intent.

El-Sayed: "We've been talking about an illegal apartheid regime for a very very long time, and that supersedes Netanyahu itself. So I just think we need to treat Israel the way we would treat any other country that behaved the way Israel is behaving."

El-Sayed: "I believe in equal rights to peace, dignity, and self-determination, for Palestinians and Jewish Israelis alike... If that’s 2 states, I’m for it. If it’s 1 state, I’m for that. If it’s this 'land for all' model, ... or whatever they decide." www.newyorker.com/news/the-new...

Abdul El-Sayed’s Argument for America—and Against His Own Party

The Michigan U.S. Senate candidate on campaigning with Hasan Piker, being a capitalist, and why his fellow-Democrats need to “stop compromising.”

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Key point here. Israeli security concerns, however valid, cannot justify western support for indefinite military occupation of the WB and Gaza. Also not sure at this point what possible argument there is that Israeli concerns outweigh those of Palestinians, other than might makes right.

Drop Site@dropsitenews.com · 2w ago

Hoover: Since October 7th, the overwhelming majority of Israelis are all deeply concerned. In a one-state solution, what concrete institutions would protect Jews if they no longer control the government or the military and find themselves in a minority? Kiros: “The concern is valid, but the...

Hoover: Since October 7th, the overwhelming majority of Israelis are all deeply concerned. In a one-state solution, what concrete institutions would protect Jews if they no longer control the government or the military and find themselves in a minority?

Kiros: “The concern is valid, but the concern doesn’t justify allowing the status quo to continue, right? There are people whose lives are being lost right now and children whose limbs are being blown off. We have a responsibility to … to secure equal rights and equal dignity to any human being that’s living in what is supposedly a democratic state.”

Watch the full Israel-Palestine section of Kiros’s interview on Firing Line with Margaret Hoover below.

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, the Democratic nominee for the congressional district covering Denver, said she supports Palestinian self-determination, the right of return, the right to resist occupation, and ending all U.S. military and economic aid to Israel.

YES. 30 years after Oslo its high time for liberal Zionists to put their money where their mouth is-and if they’re not willing to do so, admit that they’re really just Zionists who have a theoretical preference for liberalism, as long as it’s subject to the whims of the Israeli Jewish voter.

Joel S.@joelhs.bsky.social · 2w ago

Which means at this point, if you're truly a liberal Zionist (as opposed to someone who says they are but prioritizes defending the state), as, say, Brad Lander is, you are in opposition to the state as much as any non-Zionist at this moment in time, and should choose your coalition accordingly.

Which means at this point, if you're truly a liberal Zionist (as opposed to someone who says they are but prioritizes defending the state), as, say, Brad Lander is, you are in opposition to the state as much as any non-Zionist at this moment in time, and should choose your coalition accordingly.

Very important point. The next gov will likely be forced into some unpopular budgetary decisions which could quickly lead to unpopularity and there is always the risk that one of the right wing parties could defect back to Netanyahu’s side. Even if the opposition’s plans to pass term limits and…

Yair Wallach@yairwallach.bsky.social · 2w ago

Yes, Netanyahu may well lose the coming election. But without accountability and global pressure, his departure from government would only prove a lull before Kahanists return to power, and escalate the race towards the destruction of Palestinian society and the self destruction of Israeli society.

Given new polling showing plurality of Americans and supermajority of democrats believe Israel is committing genocide, I’m much more confident that tinkering around the edges won’t be enough to restore US-Israel ties. Especially if the democrats do well in the next two cycles.

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Ryan@thepeis.bsky.social · 3w ago

Not sure this would be enough - there’s nothing that’s inconsistent with a more “enlightened” but still indefinite occupation. And even these limited steps are characterized as on the limits of political possibility - shows how difficult it will be for IL to regain standing in the US.

Americans believe Israel is committing genocide in Palestine by a +19 margin Total: 43-24 Black: 51-9 Hispanic 42-16 Harris voters: 72-7 Independents: 45-16 22% of Trump voters as well Only some two dozen Democrats & two ex/outgoing Republicans (MTG & Massie) call it genocide

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51%
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I found this piece a little silly because it doesn’t really engage with the question of what would change (and what wouldn’t) if Eizenkot became PM and what that means for I/P. If you just want to hear about Eizenkot on the campaign trail then it’s a decent read.

The New Yorker@newyorker.com · 3w ago

As David Remnick followed the candidate for Israeli Prime Minister Gadi Eisenkot’s campaign, it became clear that his appeal had little to do with ideology or policy. If Eisenkot wins, Remnick writes, it will be because he is the anti-Bibi. newyorkermag.visitlink.me/A0fQ4x

Yes, many liberal Zionists/defenders of Israel have a lot of trouble understanding this. Israel isn’t unpopular because of Netanyahu’s corruption or what he’s trying to do the Supreme Court (which are the main focuses of the Israeli opposition). It’s because of Gaza, Iran, and Lebanon.

#StupidSuez@diplomatofnight.com · 3w ago

Exactly. What is result of an Eisenkot or a Bennett or a Lapid or a Golan or a Gantz government? All of them will continue the longest military occupation in all of postwar (1945-onward) history, all will accelerate settlement and colonization, all will strangle Gaza, occupy Syria and Lebanon, etc.

Exactly. What is result of an Eisenkot or a Bennett or a Lapid or a Golan or a Gantz government? All of them will continue the longest military occupation in all of postwar (1945-onward) history, all will accelerate settlement and colonization, all will strangle Gaza, occupy Syria and Lebanon, etc.

Post nicht verfügbar.

Prime example of the trend of abandoning “western values” I mentioned below. To be clear, neither Orit Strock nor her party are particularly popular among Israelis at large. But they are more brazen than they’ve ever been, and have been enormously influential the last 4 years.

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Ryan@thepeis.bsky.social · 3w ago

One more point - the past few years have shown that Israel is in fact (with some exceptions) out of touch with American values, or at least the values of liberal Americans. In fact it’s not uncommon to hear it argued explicitly that “we live in the ME and need to abandon the western mindset.”

Omer Bartov is almost certainly correct that Israel won’t pay a price for what it did in Gaza. But it’s quite unlikely that Kushner’s real estate fantasies will ever come to fruition. Worst part is that the depressing picture Bartov paints here would still be far better than the current situation.

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